Big Amen to this Chels. We had a little post Mormon couples group here and one time we read the fictional book “When Women Got the Priesthood,” which like Amie’s article flips the script to make a point (except this one was written by a man). The men’s minds were blown and the women were like…. Uhhh yeah. Except if we were in charge we wouldn’t do any of that shit.
From my perspective, L&F is thriving precisely because it has firmly held the line on this front. (Not that every group should be exclusionary in this particular way — just that it's essential for a group with these particular exclusions to exist in this space!)
Women and gender queer post Mormons have led the way in the-creating community in this space. Men speak, podcast, attend and transport shit from the car. Women plan, organize, fund, market and carry the communities. It feels VERY familiar. My husband is one of the good ones. He really wants to be a part of some of these woman/gender queer communities. Because they’re awesome. But he knows if he wants a community for men, he and other men have to carry the emotional and functional weight of being in community. Time will tell if they can manage it. It’s not your and other women’s jobs to do it for them anymore.
Very well written and thought out. As a post Mormon man, I truly appreciate your insight and vulnerability on so many subjects. I find I don’t often have the words to express my thoughts but you do a great job putting meaningful thoughts on paper. Katelyn and I have always enjoyed the lost and found events we’ve gone too. On a side note, I’ve always thought of starting a postmo male fb group to try and help more men connect while deconstructing the church but also focus on deconstructing the patriarchy. I think a lot of men need guidance on deconstructing the patriarchy. Luckily, my wife has been so good/direct/patient at giving me resources and tools to help understand the patriarchy better. Thanks for what you do!
I love how you’ve created a space/ community that is the opposite of toxic. Lost and Found IS a sanctuary.
I find it interesting to think about how the x-mo men feel alone, excluded and on the outside of a community that they want to be a part of. I wander what they think they will get from being a part of the community or what they think they have to offer. Hmmm?!? I do think many are working to deconstruct patriarchy and need community but I hope they take some lessons from how and where Lost and Found emerged from and why it has to be a sanctuary at this point in time.
Big Amen to this Chels. We had a little post Mormon couples group here and one time we read the fictional book “When Women Got the Priesthood,” which like Amie’s article flips the script to make a point (except this one was written by a man). The men’s minds were blown and the women were like…. Uhhh yeah. Except if we were in charge we wouldn’t do any of that shit.
From my perspective, L&F is thriving precisely because it has firmly held the line on this front. (Not that every group should be exclusionary in this particular way — just that it's essential for a group with these particular exclusions to exist in this space!)
Women and gender queer post Mormons have led the way in the-creating community in this space. Men speak, podcast, attend and transport shit from the car. Women plan, organize, fund, market and carry the communities. It feels VERY familiar. My husband is one of the good ones. He really wants to be a part of some of these woman/gender queer communities. Because they’re awesome. But he knows if he wants a community for men, he and other men have to carry the emotional and functional weight of being in community. Time will tell if they can manage it. It’s not your and other women’s jobs to do it for them anymore.
Very well written and thought out. As a post Mormon man, I truly appreciate your insight and vulnerability on so many subjects. I find I don’t often have the words to express my thoughts but you do a great job putting meaningful thoughts on paper. Katelyn and I have always enjoyed the lost and found events we’ve gone too. On a side note, I’ve always thought of starting a postmo male fb group to try and help more men connect while deconstructing the church but also focus on deconstructing the patriarchy. I think a lot of men need guidance on deconstructing the patriarchy. Luckily, my wife has been so good/direct/patient at giving me resources and tools to help understand the patriarchy better. Thanks for what you do!
I love how you’ve created a space/ community that is the opposite of toxic. Lost and Found IS a sanctuary.
I find it interesting to think about how the x-mo men feel alone, excluded and on the outside of a community that they want to be a part of. I wander what they think they will get from being a part of the community or what they think they have to offer. Hmmm?!? I do think many are working to deconstruct patriarchy and need community but I hope they take some lessons from how and where Lost and Found emerged from and why it has to be a sanctuary at this point in time.
Beautiful articulated, Chelsie!
YOUR WORDS!! You’re amazing 🫶🏼